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and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named grover in order kwis. >> ezra, i have to say for me one of my favorite moments in the debate was with him pointing out theffective rate romney pays compared to what other people in the real world pay. i'm not sure how many people jumped on that a as their favorite moment but. >> you and me, lawrence. >> but biden is finding more effective ways of isolating that romney tax return 14% number. >> it wasn't just that. biden i thought actually figured out what obama didn't figure out a week before which is how to deal with the ryan/romney ticket on taxes, medicare and social se
and other taxes and at an effective rate higher than romney pays his taxes. over 10% of them are senior citizens on social security. the rest are disabled vets and veterans and military personnel fighting now. that's the 47%. the 47%, this nation depends on to build this country. folks, it's about time governor romney takes some responsibility. [ cheers and applause ] take some responsibility to help the american people, the middle class. instead of lining up to sign a pledge to a guy named...
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sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the country to feel that, you know, wherever you hear mitt romney saying something today, don't worry, it doesn't really matter. it is all subject to revision later. long-term, this is a weird technique. it has been a strange political technique from the get-go this year. but mostly, it has worked for them. them correcting the record later on to a smaller audience has mostly worked. so they just keep doing it. and they have kept getting away with it. but now, as of today, they have seemed to have gone too far to get away with it anymore. this is what mitt romney told "the des moines register" editorial bo
sure, he said president obama didn't raise taxes, and president obama didn't raise taxes, but really, mitt romney officially thinks that he did. they have done this over and over and over and over again, on big issues like health reform, on small issues like whether he met a guy or not. and it is a ridiculous technique. i mean, think about what this means for the long run. i mean, the romney campaign is training the country to not believe this guy when he is talking. they're training the...
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taxes, doyle. one of the things they were -- will argue about is who will cut your taxes and raise your taxes. how do we see this play out on the stage at the debate last night? in a way that it mirrors what we've been seeing on the campaign trail? >> well, you had a serious debate over taxes. one of the things i think jeff is absolutely right. that debate between the vice-presidential candidates was about reaffirming the argument of each side's partisan base. if the word "bipartisan" was spoken during that debate, i missed it. gwen: no. it was spoken. but it was spoken by paul ryan. making the case that that's how they can solve problems. >> arguing that it could be bipartisan but paul ryan was actually going back to the republicans' 2010 playbook. where it was all about lower spending and tax cuts. joe biden was sticking to the -- the attack line of the obama campaign which is that mitt romney's tax cuts don't work. he must be hiding some details. he's trying to pull the wool over your isles. gwe
taxes, doyle. one of the things they were -- will argue about is who will cut your taxes and raise your taxes. how do we see this play out on the stage at the debate last night? in a way that it mirrors what we've been seeing on the campaign trail? >> well, you had a serious debate over taxes. one of the things i think jeff is absolutely right. that debate between the vice-presidential candidates was about reaffirming the argument of each side's partisan base. if the word...
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massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left? >> first off, you're kind of misquoting what he said. number one, he said it's not a $5 trillion dr. >> 4.8. >> but it is. i don't care what he says, he's lying. it is $5 trillion. >> bob, let me make mire point. >> don't repeat his lie without any evidence. >> i'm not repeating it. the fact you call it a lie, you take that up with him. >> no, he's the one who's lying. >> let me make the point. how does it not -- >> the fact of the matter is he's identified that what he's going to do is limply fill the tax code in a number of
massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left?...
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cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class. he wouldn't make abortion he said he would be delighted to sign a bill that would ban abortions if congress sent it to him. mitt romney has campaigned as a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he knows that those -- he is trying to hide who he is and what he stands for. there is a lot of anger building now about the issue of trust. what do you make of that? it was clumsily handled? should heads roll? >> president obama knew ambassador stephens. he was so appreciative of his work. that diplomatic core works for him. >> it is not about mitt romney and what he did which -- >> or my colleagues in congress. >> that was in appropriate. >> in the sense of blaming the video. >> piers -- >> it was more likely to have been a terrorist attack. >> i can't believe you would suggest that. it was very unclear what happened and the main thing was to make sure rather than make snap judgements that we take a step back and make a full investigation. >> do you accept that, that embass
cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class. he wouldn't make abortion he said he would be delighted to sign a bill that would ban abortions if congress sent it to him. mitt romney has campaigned as a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he knows that those -- he is trying to hide who he is and what he stands for. there is a lot of anger building now about the issue of trust. what do you make of that? it was clumsily handled? should heads roll? >> president...
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they have some obligations to society, and yet they are saying, i don't want to be taxed and if i'm taxed, then i'm going to take it out on all of you, that have less job security than you've ever had, whose wages continue to drop, and whose homes not worth 30% less than they were worth before. >> do you think these pressure tactics are going to work on workers? i mean, there is, you know, a fear in the job place in america when bosses act like this. you know, they don't want to lose their job. they saw harry down the street lost his job and their family is having a hard time. that kind of thinking sets in, what the heck, it's just a vote, i'm going to go ahead and do it. what do you think about that? >> it's possible, ed. this is a very, very, very tight election. and even if you have 5% of the workers who are intimidated like this or 3% or 2%, it could make a difference. and with unemployment still high, it's getting better, but unemployment's still high, a lo there's not enough job security out there to guard against this kind of intimidation. >> what do you think about using these bos
they have some obligations to society, and yet they are saying, i don't want to be taxed and if i'm taxed, then i'm going to take it out on all of you, that have less job security than you've ever had, whose wages continue to drop, and whose homes not worth 30% less than they were worth before. >> do you think these pressure tactics are going to work on workers? i mean, there is, you know, a fear in the job place in america when bosses act like this. you know, they don't want to lose...
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cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class to pay for taxes on the millionaire and billionaires. now he tells the register that he wouldn't make abortion a part of his agenda. i mean, this is the same mitt romney that said he would be delighted to ban abortions if congress sent it to him. his lead running mate has been the sponsor of many legislations that would totally stop women. mitt romney has been a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he notices that the policies could make sure he does not have is a chance of being elected, he is trying to hide who he is and what he stands for. we won't let him get away with it. >> when it comes to trust, though, we're watching the hearings on the libya attack. and there is no doubt, now, there is an issue on the trust with the white house and the statements that came out from the various ambassadors and so on, what do you make it? what it a scandal? should heads roll? >> well, first of all, piers, president obama knew ambassador chris stevens, knew him personally and was s appreciative of his work. as president of the
cut plan that would increase taxes on the middle class to pay for taxes on the millionaire and billionaires. now he tells the register that he wouldn't make abortion a part of his agenda. i mean, this is the same mitt romney that said he would be delighted to ban abortions if congress sent it to him. his lead running mate has been the sponsor of many legislations that would totally stop women. mitt romney has been a severely conservative candidate for president. now that he notices that the...
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. >> you can do that by cutting taxes? >> those are your words, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. trying to stuff words in people's mouths? >> it it sounds like you're -- >> ryan folks putting the paper in front of the camera and everything. vice presidential nominee paul ryan getting annoyed in this interview with terry camp in flint, michigan. the campaign even after the interview was over still went out of their way to trash the reporter that paul ryan walked out of that interview on. the campaign given on the record quotes calling the reporter an embarrassment. the city where that reporter works and where that interview took place does have the worst violent crime rate in the nation. so that line of questioning here for mr. ryan was understandable. maybe even predictable. but beyond the newsworthiness of paul ryan getting up and taking off his microphone and ending the interview and beyond the newsworthiness of the campaign going after this reporter, there was what that reporter was ab
. >> you can do that by cutting taxes? >> those are your words, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. trying to stuff words in people's mouths? >> it it sounds like you're -- >> ryan folks putting the paper in front of the camera and everything. vice presidential nominee paul ryan getting annoyed in this interview with terry camp in flint, michigan. the campaign even after the interview was over still went out of their way to...
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has he changed his position on taxes? no, he was clear during the republican primary he would limit deductions and limit tax cuts to those who are under $50,000. he was criticized for that. but that was his position now and the idea that president obama saying he has run on this and now he is changing, that is not my analysis of mitt romney's position, but on the issue of abortion --. >>neil: you would apply that, senator, to his abortion position? that is what his position has always been? >>guest: this is not mitt romney -- if you want someone who was particularly strong on those issues, someone would was passionate about the issues there were other options in the primary but mitt romney is someone who has a commitment to being pro life and he doesn't talk about it a lot and when he does he doesn't do it as compellingly as he does on other issues but he has not backed away. when he has not been particularly clear as he was the other day in iowa, he comes forward and made a statement, i have not changed anything. this is
has he changed his position on taxes? no, he was clear during the republican primary he would limit deductions and limit tax cuts to those who are under $50,000. he was criticized for that. but that was his position now and the idea that president obama saying he has run on this and now he is changing, that is not my analysis of mitt romney's position, but on the issue of abortion --. >>neil: you would apply that, senator, to his abortion position? that is what his position has always...
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the tax code. what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact checkers with respect to the president's claim that this increases taxers say that's false. it doesn't. so here is the framework and what mitt romney said is i'm willing to work with both sides of the aisle republicans and sdms to get the details right and t president has never worked with republicans. there is no doubt that the president wants to increase taxes on small businesses, the job engine of america. >> i think there's no doubt we just heard a review what have we might hear from paul ryan tonight. congres
the tax code. what governor romney and what paul ryan have said is let's have a fair flatter simpler more competitive tax code, bring down rates and broaden the base. start to get rid of all the different loopholes and all the different exemptions. and so this is how you can have a tax code again that is fair, flatter, simpler and is revenue neutral, which of course we have now -- there's at least a half dozen economists, economic organizations, who have said this is true. you've had fact...
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as far as the tax plan, look, he has said he will not pass a tax plan that is not deficit neutral. he's been very clear about this. his principles are do not change or modify the share of taxes paid at the upper income level, reduce the tax burden on the middle income level, cut rates across the board, particularly so you can create a more welcoming environment for small businesses, reduce the tax burden on small businesses, which are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of employment in this country, and you can do a lot of this by generating growth, getting rid of deductions, getting rid of a lot of the credits, getting rid of a lot of the loopholes and that is the plan he will put forward to congress. >> here's the thing. dan, here's the thing. nobody disputes that he intends to do some of this. what we don't know is how he intends to do it, and the specifics and until we get that, i think barack obama is perfectly entitled at the next two debates to take him on it, say hang on, you're cutting taxes by $5 trillion but what are you actually going to do to make up the $5
as far as the tax plan, look, he has said he will not pass a tax plan that is not deficit neutral. he's been very clear about this. his principles are do not change or modify the share of taxes paid at the upper income level, reduce the tax burden on the middle income level, cut rates across the board, particularly so you can create a more welcoming environment for small businesses, reduce the tax burden on small businesses, which are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of employment...
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. >> at the debate he said he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy. in the primary he said he's going to cut taxes for everyone. >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans. isn't that a change? >> let me repeat what i said. >> lying, denying and alibiing. >> is that leadership? >> we can't debate the debate. >> the war continues. >> let's move on. >> we are awaiting a major foreign policy address. >> romney boiled down the president's foreign policy to one of hope. >> hope is not a strategy. >> but on actual foreign policy romney's specifics were rather thin. >> i'll support the libyan's people efforts to support a lasting government. >> how about iran? >> prevent them from acquiring nuclear weapons capability. >> that's the same. >> this is the same guy who couldn't even go to the olympics. >> he will say anything, he will do anything. >> his mention of russia. >> without question of number one geopolitical foe. >> there are two kinds of success, initial and ultimate. >> i still believe you in and i hope you still believe in me. i
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i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> in the final weeks of the campaign, the obama campaign may want to use a little more of the big dog and a little less of big bird, you might say. anyway, msnbc political panelist eugene robinson is with "the washington post" and cynthia turk is visiting. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up seeing bill in action. he finds the joy in it. in that this guy is a bit of a con artist and he's reinvented the whole massachusetts governor for the purpose of 90 minutes. and whenever's anyone's really listening in the big crowd, he reverts to the old bad stuff the minute nobody's looking. >> and chris, he explains all that in terms that people understood. he does it with a smile on his face. he doesn't seem in any way mean or harsh or vindictive. he seems funny, which he is. it's also clear that bill clinton is having a really good time. he enjoys being on the campaign trail. he enjoys politics in a way that i don't think that pres
i don't have that tax plan i had for the last two years. you going to believe me or your lying eyes here? come on. >> in the final weeks of the campaign, the obama campaign may want to use a little more of the big dog and a little less of big bird, you might say. anyway, msnbc political panelist eugene robinson is with "the washington post" and cynthia turk is visiting. cynthia, it always brings our spirits up seeing bill in action. he finds the joy in it. in that this guy is a...
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and the bottom 20% earned only 3.4% of the taxes and paid 2.1% of the taxes. in the end it all evens out. people pay the same percentage of the taxes as they earned of the income. sound pretty darn fair to me, david. no redistribution there. just carrying one's fair share. yet david said he's so frustrated his motivation to work may be destroyed all together because of the current system. he blamed it all on a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. but again he is wrong. government has to take from all for the good of all. including for the good of mr. siegel. just one example. westgate's property at the smoky mountain resort and spa in gatlinberg tennessee people go there and pay there siegel a whole lot of money to appreciate the beauty of the great smoky mountains. the first national park in which the federal government spent its own money to wyland. no national park, no resort that people would pay for. you wouldn't want to build a resort there without reliable public and fire system or the road to get there or the system to gi
and the bottom 20% earned only 3.4% of the taxes and paid 2.1% of the taxes. in the end it all evens out. people pay the same percentage of the taxes as they earned of the income. sound pretty darn fair to me, david. no redistribution there. just carrying one's fair share. yet david said he's so frustrated his motivation to work may be destroyed all together because of the current system. he blamed it all on a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. but again he is...
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he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>> the best thing to help prevent crime in cities is to bring opportunity in the inner cities. teach people good discipline, good character. that is civil society. that's what charities and churches do. >> paul ryan and mitt romney say churches and charities are the only antidote to poverty. >>> another is ordering to vote for mitt romney. we'll read the letter where he admits it. >>> and which tape is a better window into mitt romney's window for america, the denver debate or the 47% tape? ahead, my commentary on why this countr
he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>>...
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romney closing the gap in a number of these battleground states, continues to say that the $5 trillion tax cut romney's proposing would add to the deficit and romney insists it is absolutely not true. >> he said if he says it's not true, then it's not true. okay. >> reporter: in battleground ohio, president obama insists mitt romney's tax cut will add $5 trillion to the deficit. >> if it's true that it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option and that's asking middle class families to foot bill. >> reporter: the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is obviously inaccurate and wrong. >> reporter: romney also in ohio mocked the obama campaign's mocking his plan to cut funds for pbs. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> big bird. >> he's focused on saving big bird. kind of a strange thing in my view because you see i'm focused on helping the american people get good jobs. >> reporter: sesame's street now asked the obama campaign to pull the big bird ad, yet there are weightier questions here as congress looks in to whether the u.s. was warned of the deadly libya attack. >
romney closing the gap in a number of these battleground states, continues to say that the $5 trillion tax cut romney's proposing would add to the deficit and romney insists it is absolutely not true. >> he said if he says it's not true, then it's not true. okay. >> reporter: in battleground ohio, president obama insists mitt romney's tax cut will add $5 trillion to the deficit. >> if it's true that it's not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option and that's...
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there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, romney is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure of the race hasn't been changed, but if he doesn't go on the attack, if biden doesn't do a good job against ryan, and if the president doesn't show up and isn't strong in the second debate, then you're going to have a tossup race. >> well, i would disagree with your approach, first of all. i don't approach it that way. that's going back and relegating all the old arguments. in spirit what i would do, unlike shrumy, i would take the big issue that is separating the candidates, don't get into the little trench warfare about what's your tax plan and where were you on medicare two weeks ago. i would sa
there aren't enough tax loopholes or tax deductions to pay for romney's tax cut unless you cut into home interest mortgage deductions, unless you get rid of state and local taxes. that will hit the middle class hard. you have to be honest about this. the debate hurt obama and helped romney, and romney's gotten a bump in the polls, although it seems to be flattening out. you look at the new poll in ohio, the president is at 51%, romney is at 47%. i think the president, the fundamental structure...
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that's the black tax we have talked about on this show. i want to talk to you about who would be a better role model for your daughter where once again michele obama wins in a landslide and ann romney's a lovely person but we have seen through the last four years michele obama be the sort of amazing role model for american women, intelligent, seriousness, grace. a lot of men read "esquire." what are they seeing about michele obama that's speaking to them through this idea? >> well, there are two ways to look at that question right there. the first is that, of course, michele obama outpolls ann romney. the first lady of the united states. active and visible first lady. you could look at it as a much plainer side by side comparison and twice as many people feel having her as a role model than ann romney. >> richard, one of the questions that interested me is you asked a sort of boot strap question. who had more help in achieving the success and people felt that romney through the wealth and privilege inherited had more assistance versus the
that's the black tax we have talked about on this show. i want to talk to you about who would be a better role model for your daughter where once again michele obama wins in a landslide and ann romney's a lovely person but we have seen through the last four years michele obama be the sort of amazing role model for american women, intelligent, seriousness, grace. a lot of men read "esquire." what are they seeing about michele obama that's speaking to them through this idea? >>...
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obama care going to play or the bush tax cuts rollback or the fiscal cliff right in front of us? is that the reason business people are holding back? >> that is exactly the reason. three years ago when i was on the radio and talking to business people they expressed concern about the economy and now we know why. it has gone from concern to fear. they are fearful of the rollout of obamacare and taxarmageddon. tax rates will go back where they were 12 years ago and i had a businessman today tell me with tears in his eyes the luncheon we sponsored that if obama gets reelected and he continues to force the rollout of obamacare he will have to shut down his business and he has been in business in this town -- i meant st. louis -- since 1957. because of all of the requirements that are going to be forced on business people. this is very real and people are veey fearful of what can happen if we don't get some more certainty in this economy. gerri: all of these topics will be part of the debate tonight. you have experience with the baiting. you did pretty well. what would be your advice
obama care going to play or the bush tax cuts rollback or the fiscal cliff right in front of us? is that the reason business people are holding back? >> that is exactly the reason. three years ago when i was on the radio and talking to business people they expressed concern about the economy and now we know why. it has gone from concern to fear. they are fearful of the rollout of obamacare and taxarmageddon. tax rates will go back where they were 12 years ago and i had a businessman today...